That’s a wonderful picture of the technology it takes to link us to all this great poetry. And in that spirit I linked to this page from my blog so I may have ready access to the list. Thanks.
Carol
Comment by Carolhttp://www.saba.blogs.com — July 21, 2006 @ 3:11 am
Its Christmas time again
The season of renewal
Love, faith, charity
And all that is beautiful
Chimes greatly in to every heart
Beating in celebrations
Of Spirit, togetherness, and affirmation.
P.S. Please administrator clatterymachinery.wordpress.com. If the thread is not to be in category this, I ask you to move my thread to the
correct category.
[...] of creativity with? To this end, there is an article here at Clattery MacHinery on Poetry called 25 Online Poetry Forums and Workshops where you can click and explore select poetry forums. To this same end, you could [...]
Since my pee in the pool essay has been mentioned, with the link given, I’ll post to the thread.
When checking out any or all of the 25 boards given as resources take the time to read the guidelines and by-laws of each board. Read them seriously. Read them closely. Two of the boards listed, the two TCP boards, were, in fact, primary incitement to my essay. For something of an inside look into how one site admin. views his customer-poets there are the comments of Dmehl following my essay.
Take quite seriously what a board’s guidelines state. Then imagine how a guideline can be interpreted if and when a customer-poet is deemed an undesirable. Poetry boards have become a case of caveat emptor. The environment is not always friendly to the creative type.
A follow up. Dmehl 808’s exchange starts with #248. It is where he advises a fellow site admin on TCP.com’s sister board to “ban (members) a little more freely.”
So again. Read a poetry board’s guidelines carefully. Then spend a month, maybe two, following board management practices before investing yourself in the proceedings.
Frankly, Stitlystola, I should hope not. I should hope all poets take stock of poetry boards, both the good and the bad. And because I believe in the system, I guess I hope poetry boards take stock of themselves.
I just deleted everything that has taken place the last few days.
The purpose of this thread is to be of service to those who are looking for a place to workshop poetry. It is not a place for anyone to practice the power of WordPress commenting.
Well, Clattery, old bean, I am sad you felt the need to erase a bit of recent history. In my view stupidity and prejudice should not be erased from the record. It should be confronted.
Tere
Comment by Terreson — September 16, 2008 @ 2:40 am
This is an article about poetry workshops. Anyone reading any comments should not have to either give up because of a flamer nor have to wade through his tedious and insulting remarks. He brings the post down and is disrespectful while doing it. I need no record of that here. I also don’t want to take up bandwidth explaining this. And I was pissed that I had to take any time whatsoever out of my day to address such an insulting moron.
Under another ID, I Private Messaged Alan the following:
Dear “Alan”,
I’ve just started looking at foetry as some poets I know were cracking on it, now I can see why none of them post to your forum, or take it seriously. Part of the problem I see is with the egos of those who post. There seems to be an assumption here that the poetry world, as small and struggling as it is in this country, would actually take any of these posts seriously. People seem to be posting as if they have knowledge of what it takes to build and run a wonderful poetry press like Tupelo. Levine’s list speaks. Period. Jeffrey is right, he gives 14 hours a day, and more. We poets appreciate it. I personally am sending him a large donation, based on the trashing I’ve read on your site, so thank you. And, I’m spreading the word to my fellow teachers, my students–perhaps we can come up with some sort of workable scale whereby the more ignorant remarks made about a press on this site, the more we support it.
I’d really love it if you’d PM me your own editorial credentials, as well as your list of published poems. I assume by the way you trash this editor, you must be a world-renowned one, yourself. Certainly, you must have at least some small list to your credit, or perhaps a prize for one of your own books?
It’s a tough world, out here, for true lovers of poetry, of words which sing. Only idiots are fooled into submitting to the vanity presses, which of course Tupelo is not. I’d hate to see it shut down, it is one of the best. I do hope you keep bashing it though, and your fellow bashers keep at it. I sincerely believe you are drumming up support for Tupelo, particularly for Jeffrey Levine, and that it can only help his list. Have you read his poets? Have you been to hear them read?
You guys protest a little too much. I can’t wait to read the rest of the site–I have a feeling I’ll find a lot of jaded want to be poets who have nothing better to do than tear others down. Sad, for you all. Poets really do need each other, it’s an exhausting and sometimes devastating vocation. Thanks for the laughs, and the tips on who to support. I really do hope you consider doing some writing and reading which builds up, instead of tearing down. You might find it enlightening. Most of us out here writing and submitting to contests are not in any danger of giving our hard won funds to rip-off artists, which Mr. Levine decidedly is not.
Hey, I’ll bet there’s even threads bashing AWP. Probably by people who don’t understand the panels, or get invited to the cool parties.
We’re just poets, man. We’re not that threatening. How about turning your energies to stopping something really dangerous? Ever heard of the southern poverty law center? Now there’s a place where your skills might be put to use! Better yet, volunteer for the military! Go do rag journalism over there! You might stop a war. Editing, alas, and trying to encourage poets all day long, which Levine is doing (and he is, by the way, human; and he is, by the way, Tupelo) is not war. Why are you waging these funny little battles?
Again, please PM or better yet post your credentials.
Thanks, hope you have an American, freedom of speech, attitude toward my little note, here, and don’t make assumptions. Try to give me a thoughtful response.
Alan did not respond, so I resent. His reply was, no need to resend, I got your first message. But, he sent no response to my questions.
Now, from what I have read over the past couple of weeks, I see a lot of tearing people down.
I really would be interested to know what alan and other frequent bashers on this site know about editing, publishing, judging contest, and writing and revising poems. I’d like to know what they know from experience! I imagine that they will not respond in “public”, as they didn’t respond in “private”. (I pm’ed a couple of others who seemed like great Monday morning quarterbacks, too)
But, I can’t find out much in private, because alan or another “site administrator” blocked me from doing so. Doesn’t seem politic, considering that my questions were certainly not in violation of the “canned” —I quess meaning Alan isn’t responsible for them– registration requirements.
Still, it seems easy to throw stones, less so to live in a glass house.
I think it is time to discredit foetry, or at least put the administrator on the hot seat. Let’s see what we can find out about that holier-than-thou editor, poet, publisher Alan!!
How about answering the questions out in front in your little quasi-public domain, alan, since you won’t answer them in private?
Oh, and my key issue is, how do we know you don’t doctor letters, forms, emails “faxed” to you, before you post them here?
Where is your credibility?
Now, having given this enough time today, I’d like to go print all the stuff I saved that Alan refused to answer for tomorrow mornings seminar. My students are going to love this.
Comment by Alan Cordle — September 22, 2008 @ 11:59 am
Who ever did this list might want to take another look, TCP is now two sites…niether of them have the ambience the orginal site had.
The versifier has a new board by Yuku, as do a few others, Yuku is the pits to try and use.
While ezboards convert to Yuku, I have been keeping up with it, as I receive e-mails whenever this occurs at the forums. This list is kept in more places than just this post at C.M., so that each time Yuku converts another ezboard, I have several places to edit. Therefore, I edit only after a group of them. Note that Rule 9 has not converted yet.
Yes, TCP.org has given birth, in a way, to spin-off TCP.com. Both forums have good poets there. There is nothing about going through periods of growth, change, or even tough times that disqualifies a forum from the list. I look at the heart of the situation.
One important aspect is that if I am to point someone to a forum, I want to be sure I am not sending poets to get chewed up by dogs, or be chastised for breaking rigid rules or a peculiar set of rules that only insiders see the genius of. There should also be a sense that a poet entering a forum should be welcome to both make a contribution to the craft being worked on there, and that given whatever time, receive constructive or contributory feedback on their own work.
These are ideals that only rare forums live up to 7 days a week, and that most stray from for significant periods. That’s why I say, it’s the heart that counts.
Hi Bud,
That’s a wonderful picture of the technology it takes to link us to all this great poetry. And in that spirit I linked to this page from my blog so I may have ready access to the list. Thanks.
Carol
Comment by Carolhttp://www.saba.blogs.com — July 21, 2006 @ 3:11 am
Hi Carol,
Thanks for putting this post to good use. I may do the same, come to think of it.
Isn’t that a cool picture. The photographer goes by the name P Kent. I found it at Flickr.com. It’s called Management Network.
But I thought, as a librarian, you were going to chastise me for marking up the Shakespeare book cover.
Bud
Comment by Bud Bloom — July 22, 2006 @ 12:48 am
Nice site!
a pleasant suprise
Comment by AndyGreek — June 12, 2007 @ 9:38 am
4 June 2007
After the storm, my mind cleared.
And a high wind arose and blew the tropics north.
running quartz crystals through a blender.
sand through your engines.
bubbles in your bays.
estuaries reaching out toward forbidden seas…
sand through your eyes.
5 June 2007
Calm as baby’s breath
as peaceful as the storm’s eye
Clouds spread and drawn with rough strokes of stratospheric winds
a warm and windy tropical day.
7 June 2007
Black water at dusk.
Lighting on the horizon.
Warm winds coming in across the darkening waters.
A flash of white wings as an egret takes flight.
And Thunder like God clearing his throat.
8 June 2007
Morning star in the still of the clear, dark waters.
a sky as clear eyed as a young girl.
bruised and tattered storm remnants limp off in the gathering light.
9 June 2007
Tickled her fancy.
giggling all the day long.
pretty good for a Saturday.
Clouds on the lake floating aimlessly by.
She smiled big–grinned really.
12 JUne 2007
A silver sky
ripe for the mirror.
you can not see yourself in this mirror
you can only see others
moreover, you can only see what others choose to expose.
Their houses, their boats, their sea-doos.
Birds skimming low over the water could
like as not
see them selves if they were to look down
as they skim low over the water
but they never do.
Rather they allow their reflections to chase them
quick and sharp over the still, glistening waters
while the bird’s mind remains ever fixed on
food, or other birds, or escaping those damn noisy humans.
A dense forest impenetrable as a gaze.
13 JUne 2007
Like angry bee’s eyes
the metal screen seen through the bamboo blinds.
A million insects dot the lake spreading micro ripples
14 June 2007
Of Fly Catchers and hidden lakes.
Of sleeping lizards and morning dew.
It is of birdsong and misty dawns
and fleeced clouds floating in a still pool.
The waters ripple awake in the gathering morn.
The first water birds head out for the far shore.
20 June 2007
A garden of elephant ears.
A lake of light.
A furrowed sky.
Warm air, tinged with the coolness of a passing shower.
A swath of short green swords with serrated edges.
22 JUne 2007
Of Stone Poets and shattered wooden quays.
Bolts of clay and carpets of mud.
Footholds on pyrrhic shores.
Fusillades of futilty and wars of choice.
23 June 2007
Wind and water.
Stone glass and stone poets.
Air plants and sudden acts of Feng Shui.
24 June 2007
Seaparate ponds like a string of pearls gleaming in the twilight.
The ages of man, the lovers of a lifetime
bright and shiny thoughts flickering like little fires banked against the great dark.
The toothy smiles of a pretty woman or two.
Events and ages the like of which will not be seen again.
Comment by Poetry — June 24, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Hi
I can’t be bothered with anything these days, but shrug. I just don’t have anything to say recently.
Bye
Comment by tihopilik — July 9, 2007 @ 12:00 am
Hi all!
Looks good! Very useful, good stuff. Good resources here. Thanks much!
Bye
Comment by govokinolij — July 10, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
i’m eric. joining a couple boards and looking
forward to participating. hehe unless i get
too distracted!
eric
Comment by xztheericzx — November 5, 2007 @ 6:12 am
Hey,
I’m oOgerryOo.
Just saying hey – I’m new.
Comment by oOgerryOo — December 15, 2007 @ 8:37 am
Hi
Roy here and just saying hi (new).
Roy
Comment by roybaronoo — December 26, 2007 @ 6:59 am
Its Christmas time again
The season of renewal
Love, faith, charity
And all that is beautiful
Chimes greatly in to every heart
Beating in celebrations
Of Spirit, togetherness, and affirmation.
P.S. Please administrator clatterymachinery.wordpress.com. If the thread is not to be in category this, I ask you to move my thread to the
correct category.
Comment by Ronnahoolofix — January 7, 2008 @ 12:58 am
very interesting.
i’m adding in RSS Reader
Comment by music — January 7, 2008 @ 1:27 am
Good
site.
Comment by attandalile — February 26, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
[...] of creativity with? To this end, there is an article here at Clattery MacHinery on Poetry called 25 Online Poetry Forums and Workshops where you can click and explore select poetry forums. To this same end, you could [...]
Pingback by The Pee in the Pool of On Line Poetry, by Terreson « Clattery MacHinery on Poetry — April 20, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
You have listed some good resources for all to check and enjoy. Thank you for sharing.
Comment by meghnak — June 21, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
Olympics 2008 Medal Standings (????? 2008)
results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/GL/95A/GL0000000.shtml
Comment by JedoToneNor — August 12, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
I have been following the wrestling here:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/wrestling/
You can watch screens for each mat online, with or without commentary, and the commentary is in text.
C.
Comment by Clattery MacHinery — August 12, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
Since my pee in the pool essay has been mentioned, with the link given, I’ll post to the thread.
When checking out any or all of the 25 boards given as resources take the time to read the guidelines and by-laws of each board. Read them seriously. Read them closely. Two of the boards listed, the two TCP boards, were, in fact, primary incitement to my essay. For something of an inside look into how one site admin. views his customer-poets there are the comments of Dmehl following my essay.
Take quite seriously what a board’s guidelines state. Then imagine how a guideline can be interpreted if and when a customer-poet is deemed an undesirable. Poetry boards have become a case of caveat emptor. The environment is not always friendly to the creative type.
Terreson
Comment by Terreson — August 13, 2008 @ 11:38 pm
A follow up. Dmehl 808’s exchange starts with #248. It is where he advises a fellow site admin on TCP.com’s sister board to “ban (members) a little more freely.”
So again. Read a poetry board’s guidelines carefully. Then spend a month, maybe two, following board management practices before investing yourself in the proceedings.
Terreson
Comment by Terreson — August 13, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
Is this gonna end someday??
Comment by Stitlystola — August 25, 2008 @ 7:20 am
“is this gonna end someday??”
Not as long as egos are at stake.
Unless a lawsuit prevails, of course.
Comment by songbird — August 26, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
Frankly, Stitlystola, I should hope not. I should hope all poets take stock of poetry boards, both the good and the bad. And because I believe in the system, I guess I hope poetry boards take stock of themselves.
Terreson
Comment by Terreson — August 27, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
I just deleted everything that has taken place the last few days.
The purpose of this thread is to be of service to those who are looking for a place to workshop poetry. It is not a place for anyone to practice the power of WordPress commenting.
C.
Comment by Clattery MacHinery — September 15, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
Well, Clattery, old bean, I am sad you felt the need to erase a bit of recent history. In my view stupidity and prejudice should not be erased from the record. It should be confronted.
Tere
Comment by Terreson — September 16, 2008 @ 2:40 am
Hi Tere,
This is an article about poetry workshops. Anyone reading any comments should not have to either give up because of a flamer nor have to wade through his tedious and insulting remarks. He brings the post down and is disrespectful while doing it. I need no record of that here. I also don’t want to take up bandwidth explaining this. And I was pissed that I had to take any time whatsoever out of my day to address such an insulting moron.
C.
Comment by Clattery MacHinery — September 16, 2008 @ 3:23 am
Point taken, Clattery.
Tere
Comment by Terreson — September 17, 2008 @ 12:00 am
Under another ID, I Private Messaged Alan the following:
Dear “Alan”,
I’ve just started looking at foetry as some poets I know were cracking on it, now I can see why none of them post to your forum, or take it seriously. Part of the problem I see is with the egos of those who post. There seems to be an assumption here that the poetry world, as small and struggling as it is in this country, would actually take any of these posts seriously. People seem to be posting as if they have knowledge of what it takes to build and run a wonderful poetry press like Tupelo. Levine’s list speaks. Period. Jeffrey is right, he gives 14 hours a day, and more. We poets appreciate it. I personally am sending him a large donation, based on the trashing I’ve read on your site, so thank you. And, I’m spreading the word to my fellow teachers, my students–perhaps we can come up with some sort of workable scale whereby the more ignorant remarks made about a press on this site, the more we support it.
I’d really love it if you’d PM me your own editorial credentials, as well as your list of published poems. I assume by the way you trash this editor, you must be a world-renowned one, yourself. Certainly, you must have at least some small list to your credit, or perhaps a prize for one of your own books?
It’s a tough world, out here, for true lovers of poetry, of words which sing. Only idiots are fooled into submitting to the vanity presses, which of course Tupelo is not. I’d hate to see it shut down, it is one of the best. I do hope you keep bashing it though, and your fellow bashers keep at it. I sincerely believe you are drumming up support for Tupelo, particularly for Jeffrey Levine, and that it can only help his list. Have you read his poets? Have you been to hear them read?
You guys protest a little too much. I can’t wait to read the rest of the site–I have a feeling I’ll find a lot of jaded want to be poets who have nothing better to do than tear others down. Sad, for you all. Poets really do need each other, it’s an exhausting and sometimes devastating vocation. Thanks for the laughs, and the tips on who to support. I really do hope you consider doing some writing and reading which builds up, instead of tearing down. You might find it enlightening. Most of us out here writing and submitting to contests are not in any danger of giving our hard won funds to rip-off artists, which Mr. Levine decidedly is not.
Hey, I’ll bet there’s even threads bashing AWP. Probably by people who don’t understand the panels, or get invited to the cool parties.
We’re just poets, man. We’re not that threatening. How about turning your energies to stopping something really dangerous? Ever heard of the southern poverty law center? Now there’s a place where your skills might be put to use! Better yet, volunteer for the military! Go do rag journalism over there! You might stop a war. Editing, alas, and trying to encourage poets all day long, which Levine is doing (and he is, by the way, human; and he is, by the way, Tupelo) is not war. Why are you waging these funny little battles?
Again, please PM or better yet post your credentials.
Thanks, hope you have an American, freedom of speech, attitude toward my little note, here, and don’t make assumptions. Try to give me a thoughtful response.
Alan did not respond, so I resent. His reply was, no need to resend, I got your first message. But, he sent no response to my questions.
Now, from what I have read over the past couple of weeks, I see a lot of tearing people down.
I really would be interested to know what alan and other frequent bashers on this site know about editing, publishing, judging contest, and writing and revising poems. I’d like to know what they know from experience! I imagine that they will not respond in “public”, as they didn’t respond in “private”. (I pm’ed a couple of others who seemed like great Monday morning quarterbacks, too)
But, I can’t find out much in private, because alan or another “site administrator” blocked me from doing so. Doesn’t seem politic, considering that my questions were certainly not in violation of the “canned” —I quess meaning Alan isn’t responsible for them– registration requirements.
Still, it seems easy to throw stones, less so to live in a glass house.
I think it is time to discredit foetry, or at least put the administrator on the hot seat. Let’s see what we can find out about that holier-than-thou editor, poet, publisher Alan!!
How about answering the questions out in front in your little quasi-public domain, alan, since you won’t answer them in private?
Oh, and my key issue is, how do we know you don’t doctor letters, forms, emails “faxed” to you, before you post them here?
Where is your credibility?
Now, having given this enough time today, I’d like to go print all the stuff I saved that Alan refused to answer for tomorrow mornings seminar. My students are going to love this.
Comment by Alan Cordle — September 22, 2008 @ 11:59 am
Who ever did this list might want to take another look, TCP is now two sites…niether of them have the ambience the orginal site had.
The versifier has a new board by Yuku, as do a few others, Yuku is the pits to try and use.
Comment by Steve — September 29, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Hi Steve,
I compile and attend to the list.
Thanks for your sharp eye.
While ezboards convert to Yuku, I have been keeping up with it, as I receive e-mails whenever this occurs at the forums. This list is kept in more places than just this post at C.M., so that each time Yuku converts another ezboard, I have several places to edit. Therefore, I edit only after a group of them. Note that Rule 9 has not converted yet.
Yes, TCP.org has given birth, in a way, to spin-off TCP.com. Both forums have good poets there. There is nothing about going through periods of growth, change, or even tough times that disqualifies a forum from the list. I look at the heart of the situation.
One important aspect is that if I am to point someone to a forum, I want to be sure I am not sending poets to get chewed up by dogs, or be chastised for breaking rigid rules or a peculiar set of rules that only insiders see the genius of. There should also be a sense that a poet entering a forum should be welcome to both make a contribution to the craft being worked on there, and that given whatever time, receive constructive or contributory feedback on their own work.
These are ideals that only rare forums live up to 7 days a week, and that most stray from for significant periods. That’s why I say, it’s the heart that counts.
C.
Comment by Clattery MacHinery — September 29, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
I am here at a forum newcomer. Until I read and deal with the forum.
Let’s learn!
Comment by broopsype — December 3, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
I just started today and I’d like to meet some new friends!!!!
Comment by illeniTug — December 28, 2008 @ 12:07 am
Online private instruction in poetry writing in Spanish (working one-on-one) for both, native speakers and students of advanced Spanish.
More information:
http://blog.pucp.edu.pe/item/41571
Comment by pedro — January 3, 2009 @ 1:19 pm
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the tip.
If you or any of your students want to share work online, there is an unused Spanish Workshop here:
Babilu Español
It’s there waiting for poets to populate it.
C.
Comment by Clattery MacHinery — January 3, 2009 @ 11:15 pm
Спасибо за пост. Позновательно
Comment by холодный — March 2, 2009 @ 7:32 pm
I’m the only one in this world. Can please someone join me in this life? Or maybe death…
Comment by Flalteftnaict — April 24, 2009 @ 3:00 am
What’s going on, F?
Comment by Clattery MacHinery — April 25, 2009 @ 11:45 am